Vidjagame Apocalypse- Rad Bromance

We are all about bro-love in this week’s episode of Vidjagame Apocalypse.

For reals, this episode is about bromance, yo. We discuss our favorite bros with bro-nefits, make waaaaaay too many bro puns and really lose our shit near the end. Seriously… We have no idea what happened. About 20 minutes from the end of the episode all the puns start messing with our heads.

The song that plays over the break is Rad Bromance by Hi Im Rawn. If you’re curious, here’s what we’re watching at the very end of the episode:

 

Question of the Week

Bros before hoes?

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Has “white knighting” killed our ability to make jokes?

 

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66 thoughts on “Vidjagame Apocalypse- Rad Bromance

  1. Awwww yeah!!!!!!
    would have never thought Nichijou would have shown up on lasertime. I never thought it possible but i now love you guys even more.

  2. Bros before hoes? I can’t participate in this clearly sexist discussion. (except it made me laugh my ass off).

    No it hasn’t killed our ability to make jokes. There is a line on both sides. Some people enjoy getting offended about anything and some jokes really should have been thought through before being said. That person on their high horse will always be there. You don’t need to tailor your humor to them, there are clear lines and common sense to guide you. .

    Also, having heard you say it both ways I slightly prefer Z-paw but I count them both as “correct” ways to say it. I like seeing which someone will reach for but the well in my area is poisoned. Since most people know me as “z-paw” its how I end up getting introduced to people. Can’t you just make it the great debate? (that would be a terrible idea.)

  3. everybody was on fire this episode! XDDDDD

    anne… why don’t you appear on cape crisis anymooooore?
    OnO

    i love you on VGA, but i would love you twice as mooch if you were on CC too.
    you gotta save them they’re stuck in a spiderman/marvel down spiral.

    also… i LOOOOOVE Nichijou. glad to hear you guys take Nichijou breaks during the cast haha.

  4. [After Computer scans Max:]
    Computer: Error: Cannot remove inventory. Where do you keep your personal items?
    Max: That’s none of your d@mn business, computer!

    I’m glad to see some props given to Sam & Max.

    Gotta admit, this episode sure had a lot of sighs and groans from all the elect-bro-fying action. Perhaps I could create a whole bro-centric post but that would just be too cum-bro-some for me.

    1. It’s not that I don’t allow it. It’s that hearing Mikel say it really weirded me out. Plus, I like beeping things out. It’s fun. Maybe on the next episode I’ll beep something random just to see how it comes out. Like those random censor videos on YouTube.

  5. This is fast becoming my favorite Laser Time network podcast. Actually, just my favorite Podcast full stop. MIKE GRIMM IS A GOD

  6. I’m sorry guys, I know you meant well, but I had to turn this podcast off halfway through. I couldn’t take the puns anymore!

    1. Some people just can’t handle the bro… But seriously, it’s probably for the best. Around the end of the second half all the bro-ness started really getting to us.

    2. Should have held on. The puns got hilarious again because of how ridiculous it was that they were still doing them.

  7. Jesus Christ, the impression of Kane and Lynch made me laugh until my sides hurt. And I think you guys might have ruined the word “bro” forever, and were hilarious the whole time you were doing it.

  8. Sexism in humor is a dangerously grey territory, but in my opinion how acceptable the joke is depends of the context of who is using it. For example, the Laser Time Network often uses exaggerated sexism or racism in its podcasts, the humor being derived from the obvious absurdity of the opinions juxtaposed with the actual beliefs of the hosts. We know this because of the Laser Time Network’s history of gender inclusivity, and the progressive inclination routinely expressed by the crew when giving their genuine thoughts. Here it is not the quality of the joke that determines the offensiveness, as there have been many of jokes on the podcasts that have fallen flat but haven’t led me to believe that anyone here is legitimately discriminatory.

    So does the God of War franchise have the credibility on its portrayal of gender issues to make jokes revolving around referring to women in a derogatory way, and expect people to understand they are not endorsing that type of behavior? I would be of the opinion that it doesn’t. As far as I know (though I may be mistaken from my admittedly brief exposure to the games) women are often portrayed as sex objects or plot point sacrifices existing only to further the protagonists motivation. It is also important that the concept of “Bros before Hoes” doesn’t exist in a cultural vacuum, there is a subset of the population that still believes in this maxim un-ironically, which obviously can lead to inequality. Theoretically this sub-culture could see such a reference not as a joke ridiculing their worldview, but instead a validation of it.

    Of course the God of War achievement isn’t the worst form of sexism out there, and it may not have been at all intentional, but in the context of videogame culture there is a level of casual prejudice that makes it important for fans to evaluate what may be contributing to that. So the response to this one bad joke may have been excessive, but the fact these problems are being addressed and condemned is a positive direction for games to be moving in.

    TLDR: Dark or crass humor isn’t what is at risk, it is humor that is “representative of or complacent with existing discriminatory practices” which people are being critical of. This a mostly positive thing.

    (I also might as well throw out that I think that the way the term White Knight is used in the context of videogame discussion often borders on being sexist itself. It would seem to imply that that men are incapable of caring about discrimination or stereotyping in their medium unless it is part of some sort of ruse to impress the opposite gender. While unfortunately there are times when that is the case, but I think they are widely outnumbered by people using “White Knight” as a way to dismiss or undermine criticism when they possess no counter-argument)

    1. Linking the bad joke of “Bros Before Hoes” to “discriminitory practices” sounds like exactly the kind of hyperbolic white-knighting that they were discussing. Games deserve the same freedom to make tasteless jokes as films and television shows, so perhaps some members of the gaming community should step off their soapboxes for a minute and look at those mediums as well.

      1. Totally get where you are coming from here, and I may not have worded some of that correctly. The part when I talked about the “bros before hoes” reference I am referring to people that actually feel they should value their male friends over there female friends. It ties into the whole mindset that guys can’t be platonic friends with girls and seeing that type of friendship as a failure on the guys part. So in using that type of saying without really qualifying the ironic adoption of it, it could just be misconstrued as accepting that type of behavior as the norm. It is not a direct link to discrimination, like Call of Duty’s infamous “F.A.G” psa parody commercial, but it is less than ideal.

        Yeah this really is not the worst form of sexism out there, not even close, but I am just saying casual misogyny needs to be addressed as well as the bigger issues. As a fan of gaming that is the medium I am going to be addressing, I see it get bad in other forms of entertainment but I don’t feel as connected to those.

      2. Totally get where you are coming from here, and I may not have worded some of that correctly. The part when I talked about the “bros before hoes” reference I am referring to people that actually feel they should value their male friends over there female friends. It ties into the whole mindset that guys can’t be platonic friends with girls and seeing that type of friendship as a failure on the guys part. So in using that type of saying without really qualifying the ironic adoption of it, it could just be misconstrued as accepting that type of behavior as the norm. It is not a direct link to discrimination, like Call of Duty’s infamous “F.A.G” psa parody commercial, but it is less than ideal.

        Yeah this really is not the worst form of sexism out there, not even close, but I am just saying casual misogyny needs to be addressed as well as the bigger issues. As a fan of gaming that is the medium I am going to be addressing, I see it get bad in other forms of entertainment but I don’t feel as connected to those.

  9. I’d just like to point out that Otacon did get with Naomi Hunter, who was smoking hot and his step mother. Maybe he was just confused. It does make more sense for Snake to be gay if his infertility is supposed to be some sort of metaphor.

    Plus it would be funny after so many people hating on Raiden for being effeminate if Snake was literally the gay one.

  10. 1. It’s called “Poor Bro’s Relief”

    2. Bros before Hos, but also Chicks (as in Bro with Boobs) before Dicks

    3. No cause I just make fun of white knights as well.

  11. I can’t wait for you guys to have another episode where you do nothing but make absolutely abysmal puns the entire time. If I hadn’t been in public, I would have been laughing loudly nearly the entire time, instead of just half the time.

  12. Loved everything about it, just donated a small amount and said half should go to this, also VGA is so much easier to write

  13. Holy brolly batman! That is a lot of bro puns. Also a bit too much snark for my taste….at least in the first segment anyways. But the other parts of the show were fine. Ummmm thanks I think?:)

    For the QOTW I think Buttmumps post pretty much summed it up better than I could have.
    The whole bros before hoes God Of War thing is just the video game industry trying to come to terms with the sexism that has dominated it for years. Even if it is a little overblown in this case, I see nothing wrong with people trying to change that. And if that change comes from some dis-ingenuousness blogger trying to get hits then so be it.

  14. Not done the podcast yet, but I’m getting flashbacks to Talkradar 69 with all this overuse of the word “bro”.

  15. Started skipping around to see when you guys would stop thinking saying bro would be funny and it never happened. Nope not listening to this one 🙁

  16. This podcast combined three of my favorite things in the world: bad puns, Mike Grimm, and taking the piss out of white knights and soapboxers. Fantastic work, guys.

  17. I, too, know who Ms. Cleo is.

    Also, I disagree with the gang about the God of War point. God of War has a history of promoting violence towards women. Now, it’s not the end of the world and I’m not calling for it to be censored, but as gamers, we have to admit that there are some things our hobby could do better. One of those is gender issues.

    Just my two cents, bro.

      1. You’re making a an argument with a false equivalence. Nobody’s saying that violence against one type of people is worse or better than another, but it is the different ways in which these types of abuse are communicated through society that makes some more likely to happen than others. When these types of messages are spread, like carelessly beating the shit out of a woman, or Daniel Tosh making a joke that’s directly about rape around a bunch of people who don’t all know that what he’s saying is bad, and to not go doing these things and treating people like this, it increases the cultural acceptance of the these acts and the people who do them.

        Power dynamics, bro.

        1. I wasn’t making any argument. Just pointing out the fact that God of War isn’t exactly selective in it’s portrayal of violence. Also I don’t think any sane person takes away lessons on how to act from a game like this.

          And really? Daniel Tosh making a joke causes people to believe that heinous acts are okay? I know a lot of people are stupid but you can’t honestly believe that. People have the ability to separate jokes from reality.

          1. >I wasn’t making any argument. Just pointing out the fact
            >that God of War isn’t exactly selective in it’s portrayal of
            >violence. Also I don’t think any sane person takes away
            >lessons on how to act from a game like this.

            Not being selective doesn’t mean that it’s okay. Grouping a bunch of harmful things in one piece of media doesn’t lessen the effect of any of them. See: people actually realizing how fucked up and potentially harmful the particular scene in God of War is, despite the fact that the rest of the game makes it one of the most violent games in the medium.

            >And really? Daniel Tosh making a joke causes people to >believe that heinous acts are okay? I know a lot of people >are stupid but you can’t honestly believe that. People have >the ability to separate jokes from reality.

            Not necessarily, but these things absolutely do contribute to a misogynistic and rape-apologist culture. This is how rape culture works.

            I don’t have a problem with people making terrible jokes around people who truly understand why they’re bad. I make plenty of completely tasteless jokes around my own friends. The difference between that and a comedy club is that it’s incorrect and very irresponsible to assume that everybody in that setting understands it. Rape culture and various other sexist and societal constructs thrive on people not being educated, empathic, and understanding. A club is not the place to make jokes that the very real and pervasive type of people who perpetuate the aforementioned concepts frequent.

  18. You guys threw out so many bros but yet no brahs? That’s not cool brahs. I hats to say it, but that’s just jv brags.

  19. White knighting has pretty much murdered all comedy on the internet. It’s funny that perhaps the greatest engine for free speech that has ever existed is used extensively by overly sensitive curmudgeons who feel the need to tell others what is or is not acceptable to make fun of . Humor that isn’t gotten off a Popsicle stick shouldn’t be afraid of shaking up your sensibilities every now and then for fear of a useless online petition decrying it’s existence.There is a difference between shock comedy and flame baiting humor.

  20. I definitely believe that “white-knighting” has seriously damaged our ability to make jokes, if not entirely killed it. People need to learn to relax and take a joke. The more you let something offend you the more power you give it. Want to utterly neuter someone who’s saying or doing something you find offensive? Completely ignore them.

  21. I just wish Bro Elston had been there to talk about Bro-jira and Bro-com. That last one didn’t work as well as I thought. I profusely a-bro-logize.

  22. I have to say this was a very homophobic episode of this show. You guys have the sense of humour of 14 year olds, Please guys, grow the fuck up, it’s pathetic.

    1. I could see bro-phobic, maybe, but homophobic? That wasn’t our intent at all, and I’m sorry if you saw it that way. We’re fans of crude and off-color humor, but I like to think we provide a welcoming environment regardless of who’s listening. What specifically struck you as homophobic?

      EDIT: Listened to it again with this in mind, and yeah, there are a lot of gay jokes in there. Sorry if those upset you, but they didn’t come from a place of hate.

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