Cape Crisis #127 – Kissing Catwoman

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Henry and Chris explore so many new comics, from Spider-Woman, Catwoman, Princess Leia, and even some books with male protagonists. Then we dive into the huge chunks of Marvel news, including a thorough dissection of the newest Age of Ultron trailer, followed by a Superhero Spotlight on Selina Kyle. Then we end it all with an extra-large community segment!

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Cape Crisis #127 Question: What do you think of the current diversification of mainstream comics?

19 thoughts on “Cape Crisis #127 – Kissing Catwoman

  1. I don’t think Catwoman is “bi” she just befriended someone who looks exactly like her and who was wearing her outfit and was like “Well, I mean I kinda got to…” she’s a vain enough character to do so. I’m 100% sure Dr. Doom has gotten a lil som’thin from a Doombot. Mr Sinister has definitely banged a clone or two.

    1. I dont like Harley, Ivy, and Catwoman all happening to be bi female bat villains, its a bit much.
      I always thought Catowman was playful but straight.
      Also its weird that the character looks like Genevieve Valentine.
      Its like putting yourself in a comic to make out with a character.

      1. I think Ivy/Harley was completely written out, also I can understand a writer/artist having his/herself drawing a comic. Especially if it’s in a wish fulfilling scenario.

  2. Curious to hear what you guys thought of the new Age of Ultron trailer since you guys haven’t been overly thrilled with the last couple of ’em.

  3. Don’t worry Chris, Hawkeye is in all those daytime scenes. You can spot him in the bottom left in the overhead shot of all the Avengers standing back to back in a circle even (look for the bow). So we still have no idea who Joss Whedon will murder horribly.

  4. I rewatched the trailer and paused it at 1:54. If you look on the left in the middle of Black Widow and Iron Man, you can see Hawkeye fighting alongside everyone else in the circle. You guys might have missed him, unless you were talking about a different scene.

  5. Wow, I was a little worried my question would be read as an asshole question, but it inspired a QOTW! I thought the discussion covered most of my thoughts, I think more diversity is good, but as a white American male, age 18-40, everyone cares what I think, so I don’t have to worry about feeling represented, and as I’ve always been interested in stuff like anime and Japanese and other foreign movies, I’ve seen lots of things that have nothing to do with me, and never really understand why you hear about so many people seeming to need to see things with people just like them. There are times lately when it seemes like diversity is more of a bullet point for whatever’s being sold, but over time I guess that leads to more types of people not having to rely on what type of people they are to be part of the cast (or whatever.)

    I question why the new Tomb Raider was called Tomb Raider, when it changed so much from what I consider to be Tomb Raider, and was so much like the way Uncharted had changed what Tomb Raider had done before it, and why it wasn’t just a totally new game. That’s my question about heroes, what they gain from dicking around with familiar characters, instead of avoiding possibly irritating fans and making something totally new.

    I think if you switch media it bothers me less when they throw in an aspect that seems like diversity for bullet points-sake, but once something’s established it’s a harder sell for me. Donald Glover as Spider Man, even Peter Parker, in the first movie isn’t so egregious, now it seems less talent-based and more trying to be progressive. But, I guess there wasn’t much chance of that happening 15 years ago, and you have to start somewhere, and just ruffle some feathers for a while, till things settle into a better world.

  6. Relating to the second question on the show, I was just thinking today about how cynical the Laser Time cast can seem to be sometimes, and how much of that comes from being from somewhere other than California that’s more conservative, and soaking in more Liberalism than a native might. Sometimes it seems like everyone thinks that San Francisco is the only place in the country that has any sense of how things should be, and everyone else in the country, especially where the guys are from, are assholes and totally backwards. I think the response to my question about diversity for diversity’s sake, and the earlier discussion about sexuality on the show, show that Chris and Henry are thinking more about these issues than just following what San Francisco tells them to think, which is sometimes how it feels to me when listening (Grimm especially sounds like he’s just spouting the cynicism he’s supposed to sometimes, which always makes me sad, because I want to like him, and his Laser Time appearances seem like he’s trying too hard.)

    So, it’s good to hear that the people I spend a lot of time each week listening to get their heads up out of their surroundings and take a breath sometimes.

  7. Is that Brave Fencer Musashi music in the background of a discussion about bisexual women? Podcast of the year.

  8. Black Cat really isn’t a ripoff of Catwoman. At the time Black Cat appeared, Catwoman wasn’t like she is today. Black Cat is based on another character, not Catwoman. After Frank Miller Selena became more like the Black Cat. Not the other way around. I’m sure there was influence on both sides really, but it would be inaccurate to call Black Cat a complete Catwoman ripoff, when it is probably just as true the other way around.

  9. Black Cat came from a Tex Avery cartoon, Bad Luck Blackie. She was meant to be a Spider Woman villain and less of a “foil for Spider Man.”

    As for the diversity issue, I think that’s in the DNA of comics. Early comic strips were rife with portraying different ethnic and racial people. Yes, they were stereotypes. But it was helpful for people of different races and cultures to see themselves in mass media (which was what comics were at the time). People want to see themselves in the media they consume. And we can look at everything through the enlightened eyes of 100 years past, but those early comic strips still tried to convey a type of reality where you could see people of different races in print.

    I’m Filipino, and I can barely count how many Filipino-American superheroes there are in American comics. You had Linda Park, who was initially Filipino but became Korean later. You the Whilce Portacio character Grail from Wetworks and Stone from his Stone series. And you have the Mongoose in Marvel Comics where the Filipino National team inexplicably has a Mongoose-themed Filipino Superhero (there are no Mongooses in the Philippines).

    Sure, you can find heroism in any one of these characters. I identify a lot with Superman because he’s basically an immigrant and a lot of how I feel about being a part of American culture is felt in Superman when he has to figure out his life between his work life (as clark), his American life (as superman), and his cultural life (as Kal-el). But I think it does a disservice to not see that the intent of both Superman and Spider-Man is to express this lost jewishness. Superman comes from two jewish kids writing about someone who could stop Hitler…and later it becomes this narrative of “longing for the past of Krypton” from Weisinger, who had lost so much of his homeland after WW2. Spider-Man comes from a theatrical jewish kid. Wheatcakes are so jewish. And Aunt May has definitely a jewish motherly vibe. That’s the reference point that Bendis is writing from today whenever he depicts Peter Parker in the Ultimate line.

    There are signifiers there for people who are longing to read about people they know. Raven Darkholme and Destiny were depicted as lesbian lovers long before Claremont told people. Northstar was gay long before he “came out” in Byrne’s comics (the longing, the alienation, the whole “I’m really a faerie” are very much coded as a coming out story).

  10. Huh? People don’t like Jeremy Renner? That’s news to me … I’ve always thought the guy has always been great in most of what he’s done so far.

  11. You guys may have looked this up, but Avengers is called “The Avengers” in America (and most places?), but it’s officially called “Avengers Assemble” here in the UK, presumably so the public wouldn’t confuse it with the 60s TV series The Avengers. I found it kind of irritating at the time, but no one calls it Avengers Assemble, anyway. My blu-ray doesn’t even have the title on it, just the A logo and character portraits on the spine.

    1. There was a question on a UK game show, I forget which, about the movie and the contestant failed because he said “The Avengers” instead of “Avengers Assemble”. I screamed at my TV.

      To be fair, while the TV series hasn’t had a recent incarnation other than the godawful movie the majority of British people over 30 do think of that series first when someone says “The Avengers”. I’m a huge comic book fan and I’ve never watched the TV series, and I still think of them first.

  12. Isn’t “Girl Friday” a reference to Friday from Robinson Crusoe. Like what if Friday was a girl instead of a man, and that was the only change.

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