A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge

Is the Nightmare on Elm Street 2 the worst Freddy movie ever made? Maybe. Is Freddy’s Revenge the gayest film in horror history? Perhaps! But the first sequel to Wes Craven’s original nightmare is actually a lot more fascinating than any of that, that’s why Chris and Lizzie are going to bat for it this edition of An Elm Street Nightmare. 


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12 thoughts on “A Nightmare on Elm Street 2: Freddy’s Revenge

  1. I just watched this, and I think the gay “subtext” is blown a bit out of proportion, like it usually seems to be, if you want to believe that any interactions between two guys is gay, you can find that here. The relationship between Jesse and Lisa doesn’t seem that off for a movie. And the leather bar is full of men and women, so I don’t know that that makes it gay (maybe it’s gay guys and lesbians, but they seem to be mixing together for the most part.) Having watched part 4 last night, part 2 doesn’t look so bad any more, the rules for Freddy’s powers actually seem to to be pretty loose all the time.

    1. I don’t think 2 is a bad movie but I think you’re living in denial if you don’t think it is clearly an incredibly gay movie. Both this and Top Gun are gayer than Brokeback Mountain or Milk and those movies were celebrated as homosexual cinema.

  2. As a 14 year old, didn’t mind breaking the rules as long as I see Freddy killing people. Then years later, I denounced it for that reason. Didn’t care about the gay subtext and whatnot, it just seemed out of character for Freddy to do and whatnot. The complaints are the same but I don’t hate it. Far from it. From the perspective of the subtext, it is fascinating on that level. I mean, I cooled off since then and no longer consider like the “Highlander 2 of Horror films.” But like I said, it’s not a good Nightmare on Elm Street film but on its own, it’s fine. There is some stuff I like and the gay subtext gives it an edge. I do question the ending though of Lisa kissing Freddy to save Mark since it’d give the impression that heterosexual love saves the day but what can you do?

    I do accept the fact that Nancy would leave a diary despite not having it in the first film but I can buy someone leaving behind a diary or something to warn people about Freddy.

    But it is interesting that the subtext was on purpose that it may as well be actual text-even out of context. But I still think it’s a dumb idea to bring Freddy into the real world because the point was that Freddy is powerful in dreams but I do get a kick out of the coach getting murdered and the pool party scene. But my favorite part is always the beginning of the film with the bus because it’s classic Freddy. The bus on the pillar in danger of tipping over with Freddy menacingly approaching three teenagers including Mark and Lisa-laughing and intimidating people with his razor glove and then (next scene aside) goes for the killing blow. That to me is one of the scenes that sums up Freddy Krueger. Although I don’t understand why the finger knives were attached to his hand in the latter half of the film but I do know the glove was stolen during filming. So, it just doesn’t make sense but it was rushed out. But honestly, I don’t consider this the worst film in the franchise. Quite frankly I only have least favorites or at best, just weak but I’ll mention what when we get there but here’s a hint; it ain’t 5, Freddy’s Dead, Freddy vs. Jason, not even New Nightmare. Oh no. You’ll know them.

  3. This movie is so fucking boring as a Freddy movie, but holy crap is the gay allegory blatant extremely early on. The fact that they tossed the actor under the bus is frustrating and makes no sense anyway, he didn’t (you know) WRITE THE SCENES IN. I think the best part of the movie is him dancing in his room to pop music.

    Great episode, y’all!

  4. As much as this one is one of the weaker Nightmare movies, it holds a special place in my heart because I got to meet the star, Mike Patton, at a screening a few towns away. The comic shop I work at was co-sponsoring a Q&A screening with Patton, who was working on a documentary about being a closted gay actor in the 80’s (I think it’s scheduled to come out next October). Mark couldn’t have been a nicer guy, and was very upfront about the trials and tribulations of making this movie (apparently they finished shooting the movie in July and it was released in October of the SAME YEAR). He also admitted to not realizing the gay subtext until years later when he came out.

    So while it’s not the best Freddy movie by a long shot, it still has a special place in my heart because of this cool experience. I’m pretty sure you guys could find him pretty easily if you wanted to to do a special interview with him

  5. Great episode, love these!

    I finally watched the entire series a couple years ago (Chris, I think we watched 5 and/or 6 together) and was actually really disappointed with 4-6. For the most part, they just felt kind of meandering and boring. I reckon being boring is much worse than being bad. So to me, even though 2 is such an immediate an unnecessary deviation from the concepts established in 1, I find myself wanting to revisit it more than 4-6 because it’s at least interesting.

    With the success of flicks like “Get Out,” I think America’s got a growing hunger for what I’m gonna call “identity horror,” or just more patently allegorical horror in general, so I think Nightmare 2 will end up having “longer legs” than most of the sequels, which IMO don’t really offer anything new or interesting after Dream Warriors (would love for you guys to change my mind tho!).

    On a related note, I think it’s kind of a bummer that the new IT movie didn’t highlight the role of identity a little more. In the book, the black kid and the Jewish kid have very distinct roles that I think make the story a lot more fascinating and timeless overall. The movie didn’t really touch that at all (especially for Mike, the black kid). But to be fair, most of that stuff doesn’t come into play until they’re adults anyway. Go figure!

  6. After Jessie Dances in his room, his door opens and there is a sign that originally said “NO OUT OF TOWN CHECKS” but had a piece of paper over the e in “checks” so that it said “NO OUT OF TOWN CHICKS”

  7. Yoooooo Chris and Lizzie! Love this Podcast Series and can’t wait to hear more, i remember lizzie from the TDAR days and she is a welcome person to have back. Please keep up the awesome work on the podcasts and I’ll never stop listening.

  8. Look, as a gay man, I absolutely love this movie- it touched a nerve when I was in middle school and wasn’t sure about my sexuality, & was all the more unnerving for the constant sweatiness.

    One thing you guys didn’t mention that always stands out about this one to me is the dog Lisa encounters in the weird industrial area. Now, I’ve ONLY ever watched this on a shitty VHS transfer, but to me, it always looked like a really convincing human face- an effect that looked much better than almost anything else in the movie. In later years, that struck me as a really disturbing, David Lynch-y touch that didn’t mesh with the movie, despite the fact that it was already a bizarre side-story in the franchise. I’d love to know more about that scene, and why it was even kept in.

  9. “And the leather bar is full of men and women, so I don’t know that that makes it gay”
    rewatching it, one of the guys in the beginining says the coach likes to hang out in the queer bar and likes pretty boys.

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