No Country for Old Men, Writers Strike, Starship Troopers, Montreal Screwjob, & Less Than Zero – Nov 3-Nov 9

This week in pop culture history: 87 shows us Less Than Zero while the original Transformers cartoon ends. In 97, Starship Troopers kills all the bugs while the Montreal Screwjob changes wrestling forever. In 07, No Country For Old Men kicks butt while the writer’s strike sucks the life out of TV.

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41 thoughts on “No Country for Old Men, Writers Strike, Starship Troopers, Montreal Screwjob, & Less Than Zero – Nov 3-Nov 9

  1. NoCountry for Old Men along with There will be Blood were the two movies for me that I hated despite loving the actor job of the primary villain. I personally felt Gone Girl Baby Gone Home with the Dragon tattoo was the best all around movie story and acting wise despite lacking a Bardem or DDL level performance, IDK I just hated everything post unsassifying Josh Brolin death and in general found the ending to be tepid as well. I know some Coen Bros lover will say “that’s the point it’s about retirement and life’s unfulfilled yadda yadda” but it kinda felt a little overrated IMO but I’ve never really loved the Coen Bros style they’re like the Valve of films for me which I know makes me the weirdo.

    1. Completely agree about No Country for Old Men. The ending was awful. The entire movie was this fantastic cat and mouse thriller leading up to the inevitable confrontation, and then… nothing. I’m no fan of the Coen Brothers and their whole shtick of going out of their way to make an unconventional Hollywood movie. There is such an unnecessary meanness to their movies that just always puts me off.

  2. Starship Troopers is the first movie I recall being made fun of on the internet! Keep in mind that in 1997 internet discussions were much much much rarer than they are today. That was the same year that Comic Book Guy said, “Rest assured that I was on the Internet within minutes, registering my disgust throughout the world.” and that was considered laughable (oh how far we’ve come!) But at the time I was part of a newsgroup (does any person here remember them?) called rec.arts.tv.mst3k.misc and the group tore the movie apart (“OK, you’re trying to park a spaceship in space and there is about a millimeter between you and the other ship . . . did you forget that you are in SPACE! Where there is, I don’t know, TONS OF SPACE!”). Oddly enough I don’t think anyone recognized that it was satirizing it’s very subject matter. And for the record, Heinlien wrote it to be 100% serious. He though that the youth of 1958 was far too pampered and had a lack of discipline that was leading to moral decline.

  3. For anyone that is cynical about professional wrestling (looking at you Diana). There is a really good episode of Radiolab called “La Mancha Screwjob” that goes over the Montreal Screwjob and why we love when the line is blurred between entertainment and reality.

  4. Ah, guys! So glad that I’m Alan Partridge got a mention. I’ve never known how Partridge would translate to a US audience, as it’s hard to think of an American equivalent of the specific kind of pompous, middle-aged, conservative ‘light entertainment’ media personality that Partridge distills so well. I would say Partridge (specifically season 1 of I’m Alan Partridge) is the British equivalent of Seinfeld in terms of how much its quoted and revered by British comedy nerds. If you’re watching or rewatching the show, look out for a baby-faced Simon Pegg in episode 3.

    What’s really fascinating (and which you touched on in the show) is how the character of Partridge has jumped around different mediums and formats, from mockumentaries, to spoof news shows (the character started as the sports commentator in spoof news show The Day Today) and chat shows, to audiobooks, an action movie and a studio sitcom over the years. After a hiatus during the mid to late 2000s, Partridge returned with his autobiography I, Partridge, which as well as being incredibly funny, also cleverly tied together all of the previous incarnations and appearances of the character into one consistent timeline (up to that point, there didn’t seem to be much of a continuity to the ups and downs of Alan’s career). There’s only one Partridge movie to date, though they are currently filming a new series to air soon – little has been announced other than that this one is related to Brexit somehow, and you can guess which side of that debate Alan is on…

    *The transition from getting a series on BBC Radio and graduating to getting a TV show on the BBC is a well-worn path for British comedians including everyone from The Mighty Boosh to Mitchell & Webb to The League of Gentlemen.

    Speaking as a Brit, as for Mr. Bean…. bleh. Seems like one of those British comedy phenomena, like say Benny Hill, that is nowadays much more popular and widely known outside of the UK than inside it. The actor who plays Bean, Rowan Atkinson, is far more celebrated these days for his role in his earlier TV show Blackadder.

    1. I first saw Steve Coogan playing Tony Wilson in 24 Hour Party People, then watched his comedy stuff later as the internet made it easier for an American to get a hold of English comedy (after the influx of Python-related stuff on PBS in the 80’s.) I think that even though I’m Alan Partridge only ran for a few series of a few shows, it felt like it ran out of ideas and dragged in the last series. The various later shows he was on were more interesting to me, he jumped to radio and other situations that weren’t just being on a talk show, and that helped change things up. Other stuff Steve Coogan did, like Saxondale, feel like branches from the Alan Partridge tree, too.

      I watched the first Blackadder when that was the only series of it there was, I think, in high school or so, and didn’t enjoy it, and have never enjoyed Rowan Atkinson. He seems like Jerry Lewis or Red Skelton, an old type of mugging that I really find obnoxious.

  5. I haven’t been into wrestling since I was seven years old and Hulk Hogan’s Rock ‘n’ Wrestling came on after Muppet Babies, but I always enjoy hearing you talk about it because you bring such joy and excitement to something you care about that you make me interested in something I have no interest in.

  6. The brief discussion of Shania Twain knocked loose a twenty year old concert memory for me.

    My dad dragged us to one of her concerts around the time she had her big pop crossover. At this concert Shania brought out some poor local middle school girl named Katie Arbuckle. For some reason lost to time she got the opportunity to sing onstage at the Shania concert. And she bombed. Hard. Like she was so obviously terrified of the crowd that she only got out a few tremulous peeps before hanging her head and walking offstage.

    Shania comes out and says “Well there you go. Sometimes you get so nervous you forget to sing!” There was a smug bitchiness to her tone and the crowd turns on her. Booing. Jeering. Throwing beers. A group of drunk college girls sitting in front of us screamed “YOU’RE A BITCH!” at the top of their lungs. The crowd never recovered after that.

    Years later whenever someone brought up Shania, something that happens more than you might think in the Midwest, I’d launch into that story. I always knew if someone had been to that concert because they’d lock eyes and say “Katie Arbuckle” before I could get farther than “So I was at her concert at Deer Creek back in ‘9X and…”

  7. Great episode everybody. I gotta say, I’m pretty shocked you guys like Quantum of Solace, I couldn’t stand it, especially that car chase at the start where the camera switches every half second.

  8. Brett talking about Transformers Season 3 without having seen much of it was cool. I was 10 when “Rebirth” aired, and even at that age it was weird and fascinating to me. With most of the fucking huge seasons 1-2 cast killed in The Movie (TM), it was a WAY different show than it had been. They used a small recurring cast instead of trying to work in 40 people eight of whom would speak, did big crazy space opera instead of endlessly recycling the smaller-scale “Megatron invents/steals something that’ll give him the upper hand” plot, and made it a point to deal with the fact that Rodimus Prime was kind of a fuckup who didn’t want to be in charge. Characters joined and left the Autobots and Decepticons and there was a little bit of continuity as Rod grew into leadership, and there was an explicit five-episode arc involving the characters Sandstorm, Octane and Starscream. Unfortunately, everything that could go wrong did: production issues meant that those five episodes aired badly out of order, kids didn’t take well to the pivot from the world outside their window and recognizable cars and planes to wacky sci-fi shit, the animation budget looks like it’s been cut in half, and we took the death of Optimus Prime in the movie a lot harder than execs expected. The end result was a hard pivot to bringing back Optimus Prime right after the episode where Rodimus finally grows into leadership, and the series ending right after (though the toys and comics continued for several more years). It holds up really badly, but it was incredibly ambitious for 1986-7 and I’m not sure we ever would have gotten serialized stuff like X-Men or Exo Squad without it, and it was the template for basically every US-made Transformers show that came after, especially Beast Wars and Animated.

    1. I remember Headmasters Transformers being out. I’m a bit older than the crew here. I was a teenager when that came out, and had already turned away from Transformers stuff. But I was old enough to think that “Headmasters” sounded like a porn reference.

  9. Wow, Starship Troopers. I had an interesting history with that movie. I first saw the trailer at one point and thought based on the title, it was going to be like Star Wars. And then there was that time I was at a Barnes and Noble (I believe so, if not, it was Borders and it was after the film was released) with my sister and mom. I remember finding the graphic novel adaptation of the film from Dark Horse Comics. Maybe it was my sister’s idea since she knew about it more than me and I did look at the book and well, not that I was shocked but looking back, I don’t doubt because I saw Robocop 2, I wasn’t bothered too much by the gore. Though plenty of moments didn’t play like the film but I recognize the stuff with the pink, fat bug thing.

    I finally did see the film on FX and well, I was certainly enthralled but didn’t get the satire. Looking back, yeah, I can tell what Paul Verhoeven was doing and he wasn’t so far off given the current political climate.

    1. When I found out Starship Troopers was coming, I read the book first. I had no idea it first came from an unrelated script.
      There will always be differences from book to movie, but one part of the book could have easily made it to the film.
      In the movie, Rico’s parents die from the bug attack at Buenos Aires. In the book, his father survives, and joins the mobile infantry. At the end, Rico is commanding his father into battle. That part of the book could have easily made it to the film, with little change to the rest of it. I think I would have added a bit more punch at the end sequence.

  10. Shania Twain’s album was the first produced by her then-new husband, Mutt Lange, who’d previously produced AC/DC albums (including Back In Black) but was best known by 1997 for producing “Pyromania” and “Hysteria” for Def Leppard, with whom he developed the really polished, over-produced style that characterises a lot of his work, and “Waking Up the Neighbors” for Bryan Adams. He produced the album before “Come On Over”, 1995’s “The Woman In Me”.

    I’m not hugely familiar with the Shania Twain discography myself (I know the hits – “Man! I Feel Like a Woman”, “That Don’t Impress Me Much”, “You’re Still the One” etc.) but I’m given to understand that a lot of the songs she co-wrote with Lange in the late 1990s were leftovers from his Def Leppard and Bryan Adams days!

    If you look at mainstream country music in the 20 years since the Shania Twain and Garth Brooks heyday, there’s clearly a huge amount of 80s rock influence. Look at Billy Ray Cyrus: that guy might as well have been a hair metal vocalist. I read once that even if grunge killed hair metal, it was actually country that bought the coffin and booked the funeral, because country stole all the musicians (who all went to Nashville after the rise of alternative music and hip-hop, and more particularly the production styles associated with both, undermined the need for the network of session players in Los Angeles and New York) and its fans.

  11. At 11, I was essentially just shy of the target demographic for Call of Duty 4, and I fucking loved it. Being that age, I had to choose between Halo 3 and CoD 4 at launch, so I choose Halo, and waited for CoD until Christmas. When I finally got it, I got insanely into it. Despite frustrations with Xbox Live because it was around Christmas so server traffic was insane and constantly disconnecting or just generally laggy as hell, I spent a lot of my 2007 christmas break playing this game. After many, many fun hours of playing the game with friends online, and beating nearly the entire campaign on Veteran difficulty (minus that goddamn bonus mission on the plane), I was so well versed in the game that I knew how to jump onto botched textures to climb buildings, and had progressed into my second prestige level. Minus the last couple of achievements for Veteran difficulty, I nearly 100% d the damn thing. By the time CoD: World at War’s release in 2008, my in-game clock for multiplayer alone clocked in at about 7 days. Holy crap, 11-12 year old me was cool.

    Also Robert Downey Jr is fucking great in Less Than Zero, and Civil War did a great job of recreating him at that age.

  12. The Vioxx discussion brought up a stupid memory of work. I used to work at a place called VMS as a news transcriber. PR firms and companies would pay us to transcribe spots in the news discussing them. Merck was one of our clients, and when this Vioxx shit hit the fan, the transcribing department went nuclear. We were working double shifts because Big Pharma can’t stop killing us while saving us. Fortunately, no drug companies have hurt anyone else since then (cough cough — opiod crisis)

    But also, ten years ago I was working a full time job? Fuck me I’m getting old.

  13. You guys cracked up on that Luda buying chicken and beer line, but it’s a refrence to his album chicken n beer. Great episode as always.

  14. Far be it from me to defend the Death Wish series (the original concept is grim as hell and absolutely needs no modern revival) but I’m willing to go to bat for DEATH WISH IV. For starters, the sexual violence at the heart of the first three films is, at last, gone – well, nearly gone. It’s all but relegated to a dream sequence Bronson has when he imagines himself taking revenge on a sex predator, but then he wakes up. Instead, DW4 turns Bronson into a hero for hire after his girlfriend’s daughter ODs. What follows is an at-times goofy string of situations where Bronson picks off members of a LA drug ring one-by-one (or sometimes all at once, if he has explosives). This being 1987 there are a few really good cameos from actors who would become very famous a few years later, such as Danny Trejo! The climax of the film sees Bronson running through an roller rink full of arcade games (!) with an assault rifle (!!), eventually cornering the bad guy in this hilariously curt finale: https://youtu.be/Y39dFm09hVA
    (ok, so another lady dies to make Bronson feel bad, but the succinctness of this scenario still makes me laugh)

    1. I prefer the absurdity of Death Wish 3, complete with reverse mohawk ginger gang leaders and firing bazookas at people on the streets of London (I mean, NEW YORK), even if there is some super weird exploitive stuff involving Deanna Troi being attacked by Bill from Bill & Ted. I think it was the right direction for the series to go in after the practically torture porn that was Death Wish 2.

        1. 3 is definitely on the road to absurdity which I like, but there is that extended rape scene you mentioned which is a pretty big downer. Also, Bronson meets a lady, sleeps with her, and then she is IMMEDIATELY killed in the next scene and I can’t decide if that’s funny or tragic.

  15. When I was younger, my mom gave me the book for “A Simple Plan”. I read it and loved it. When the movie came out, I rented it and thought it was alright. It was definitely good, but didn’t quite live up to the book in my opinion. Smash cut to seeing the trailer for No Country for Old Men and my first thought is that this movie’s just a rip off of A Simple Plan. I was skeptical, but loving Coen Brothers, I was definitely going to see it. No Country for Old Men blew me away, and to this day remains in my top 5 movies. The pacing, setting and characters are all riveting. As someone who grew up in the Desert I just love the setting and scenery which could pass for any small desert town. The fact that there’s no music, or real way to tell that it’s a period piece except for the coin toss scene works perfectly. The story still keeps me on the edge of my seat after having viewed it multiple times. I know the ending turns a lot of people off, but I think it fits the message of the movie perfectly. About the cruelty and quickness of life, and that sometimes you make decisions that there’s no turning back from and must suffer the consequences.

  16. It’s weird that a movie as amazing as No Country that won a bunch of awards needs people to stand up for it. It’s weird that people don’t think it’s funny- it’s actually really funny; the Coens talk about how they didn’t do anything except shoot McCarthy’s novel, but they found a bunch of little tags in what is mostly a movie about an unstoppable serial killer that make all the characters memorable even when they don’t get much screentime. I love the tent poles back-and-forth, “what’s in the satchel?” and the conversation with the kids on the bridge. Chris also says something about the Coens not doing special features, but the Coens did do an elaborate (fake) special feature and commentary on their Blood Simple dvd, full of fake trivia from a fake film historian. As far as whether No Country or TWBB deserved the awards, it’s so rare for the Oscars to land on the best movie that even if they only got the 2nd best, it was still practically a miracle.

    And Bardem had won a bunch of acclaim for the Sea Inside, and had a supporting part in Collateral. Also last week’s Perdida Durango is really bad.

  17. We have to talk about the soundtrack to Less Than Zero! It’s so interesting to me. It was basically created when Rick Rubin was becoming a household name with the Def Jam label and soon to be created Def American label. It had two hits, LL Cool J’s “Going back to Cali” and the Bangles “A Hazy Shade of Winter,” but the non hits are the most interesting to me. There’s a weird Aerosmith track, “Rocking Pneumonia and the Boogie Woogie Flu” from when they were still trying to get their shit together, and Slayer (recently signed by Rubin) covering Iron Butterfly’s “In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.” Also, Public Enemy’s “Bring the Noise” would eventually become a hit when it re-recorded as a rap-rock song with Anthrax. Most interesting, for a die-hard Misfits/Danzig fan like myself, are two tracks. “Life Fades Away” from Roy Orbison is this awesome, melancholy, number that closes out the film. It was written by former Misfits front-man and recent Def American signee Glenn Danzig (who would also around this time pen a song recorded by Johnny Cash for his comeback album American Recordings). The other is “You & Me (Less than Zero)” by the Glenn Danzig and Power and Fury Orchestra. Imagine if that had been the name for the band Danzig? It basically is just Danzig, but with a choir and a different bassist, but the song is this R&B number that’s basically an uncredited cover of “To Sir With Love” by Lulu. It was supposed to be recorded by someone else, but when that deal fell through Rubin told Danzig to just do it himself because he had the pipes to pull it off. It’s fantastic and probably the best vocal performance Glenn Danzig has ever given. One of my favorite songs ever.

    1. In defense of my South Park ignorance from last week! The show started in August during summer vacation for me when I really didn’t watch much TV or see friends at school to talk about what was new and cool. That and South Park was on cable and we were a one cable box home so that meant sharing the television on week nights with my family who didn’t want to watch a show about an elephant making love to a pig. “Pinkeye” was only the show’s 7th episode and I think it came when the show was getting big, as I would end up getting that Rolling Stone with South Park on the cover Chris mentioned (or maybe it was Spin imitating the Janet Jackson RS cover, whatever it was it had Cartman and Chef). I was also going into 8th grade and probably still subjected to a 10pm bed time. I would end up getting a bunch of South Park merch that Christmas, including a baseball hat of poor dead Kenny getting eaten by mice. I think I still have it somewhere in my closet.

  18. You have mentioned before movie posters and video boxes that remind you of video stores. Hello Again is one for me. Never saw it or really knew what it was about , but I remember the poster without even have to look it up.

  19. Three 6 Mafia’s “Tear Da Club Up” and Jay-Z’s 2nd album were middle school staples…right before those artists both blew up into the mainstream. Discovering Mr. Bean on PBS randomly was a fun, quirky treat.

  20. As someone who grew up as the world’s largest Bret Hart fan, the Montreal screwjob makes me incredibly sad. What follows has to be the worst decade of a man’s life: Bret will lose his brother Owen, his step-brother Davey, both of his parents, and suffer a concussion which gave him a stroke, ending his career. Bret is viewed by a lot of modern fans as a bitter old man, but god dammit he deserves to be.

    An interesting wrinkle to the story comes from the Wrestling Observer around this time. The common narrative is that Vince broke Bret’s contract because he couldn’t afford it anymore, but Dave Meltzer reports in the Observer that the WWF had been turning much higher profits than it had when Bret signed his new contract. WWF could afford Bret, but Vince didn’t want to pay him because Bret vocally didn’t like the company’s new direction and Vince didn’t want guys like Shawn Michaels or the Undertaker asking why Bret makes so much more money than they do.

    The entire situation was Vince’s fault because he put the title on Bret and then decided to fire him. So Bret, forever a loyal company man, gets stabbed in the back live on TV because he didn’t agree to get fired the way that Vince wanted him to. While wrestling fans love Vince’s tv persona, wrestling is still a carny business run by a carny businessman.

  21. You guys speaking about Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels reminded me of the first house show I ever went to. As a Native kid living on a reservation, pro wrestling was LIFE but actually seeing it live would never happen for my poor family. when my dad got me tickets to see wrestling in the nearby city of Winnipeg, I was blown away. Especially after finding out the main event was Bret Hart Vs Shawn Michaels, two of my absolute fave wrestlers. I was determined to be the cute kid Bret gave his shades too and my dad had to contain me from rushing the barricade. He told me that if I tried to run off again, we would leave as punishment. Cue Shawn Michaels music hitting and my dad holds me back by my Shawn Michaels t shirt and nearly chokes me unconscious.

    That night was one of my favourite childhood memories and I recall the excitement and fear I felt when I was in the room when the undertaker’s music hit and the lights went out. Best night ever.

  22. Hi guys,
    I’m repeating myself but I always appreciate guest appearances by Brett to talk about Star Trek.

    Also regarding Starship Troopers, I want to bring up a couple of Japanese CG-animated movies that came out in the past few years that were pretty good. They lack any social commentary or whatever like the original Paul Verhoeven movie but in terms of satisfying action they get the job done. At least one of them features voices by Casper Van Dien.

    Invasion
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCfmKj5w7RI

    Traitor of Mars
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WP1hUxbNs8

  23. Rented Starship Troopers as a 7th grader, because I heard that you got to see Denise Richards naked (spoiler, you don’t, but there are other boobs). My buddy and I watched it right after watching The Critic episode where Jay says “I wonder what she looks like naked? – I mean….I wonder what she COOKS like……….naked.” and that is what we said literally every time Denise Richards was on camera. By then end of the movie, we just yelled “COOKING NAKED” at the screen over and over trying to will it into existence. It never happened.

    7th graders are terrible. Every single one of them.

  24. Hey guys! Long time first time here! I hope I’m posting this in time to be seen for the show going up this week, but I have a pretty great news story that might get overlooked from November 13, 1987.

    https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/11/14/Sgt-Bilko-mistaken-for-Dalai-Lama-in-Tibet/7268563864400/

    Long story short, a woman on vacation in Tibet was wearing a Phil Silvers Sgt. Bilko shirt and a Chinese soldier thought it was a Dalai Lama shirt and tried to tear it off her chest. She had to go back to the hotel and change, while Tibetans around her chanted in support of the Dalai Lama.

    I know of this news story because I was born on November 14, 1987 and when I went to the library to look up the newspaper from the day I was born, this story was on the front page, just below the fold.

    Anyways, love the show! Keep up the good work!

  25. According to my Mystery Source the whole Clinton inhale thing was just him being cute – apparently he’s an asthmatic, so he would have trouble smoking anyways. i.e. technically hasn’t smoked weed, but edibles? Sure

  26. Starship Troopers is the only movie I can ever remember my dad refusing to rent for me, he usually didn’t care what I watched or played and 10 year old me couldn’t understand why he didn’t want me to watch what seemed like an exciting space movie (I wasn’t a very bright 10 year old). I brought it up recently and I finally found out why I was never allowed to see it. My dad is a huge fan of Robert Heinlein, the original author of Starship Troopers, so he was very excited to see the first major screen adaptation of one of his novels. He saw the movie opening night and stormed out midway through, he said it was the angriest he’s ever been with a movie. He was so pissed and disappointed with the way they adopted the book into a film that a decade later he’d staunchly refuse to let me see it, he didn’t want it to be my first exposure to Heinlein. It was a level of nerd rage I exclusively associate with your modern nerd, so it was very weird seeing it existed long before then. I have since seen the movie and love it as well as having read a large chunk of Heinleins other work, check out The Moon is A Harsh Mistress if you’re in the mood for some hard sci fi

  27. I’ve already seen a lot of people saying they didn’t care for No Country for Old Men, so I’m glad I don’t have to be the only one. I think it’s an extraordinarily well constructed movie with superb acting, some AMAZING sound design and production (seriously, that nighttime motel scene could be the best sequence in any Coen Brothers movie), and beautiful scenery.

    But it was working from bad source material. The book No Country for Old Men is straight up garbage, and so is everything by Cormac McCarthy. The story isn’t poignant or deep, it’s cobbled together from macho man tropes mine from a century of generally much better literature. Chigurh is a horrible villain because he doesn’t surprise you at all. He’s overwrought and overly dramatic, and surprise surprise he kills everyone he shares a scene with. He’s a flat, boring, one note character. The plot could not be more cliche, and the rest of the characters don’t bring anything worthwhile to the table.

    But more than all of that, McCarthy’s writing style is aggressively, intentionally bad. He clearly thinks he’s a modern day Ernest Hemingway with his sparse prose, but he didn’t understand how Hemingway was so evocative with how sparse his prose was. McCarthy not only eschews quotation marks for dialogue– which is a writing convention I like but don’t necessarily need– he also doesn’t even use APOSTROPHES in his CONTRACTIONS. At that point, as a writer, you’re just arbitrarily ignoring grammar rules to appear new and edgy, but it has the opposite effect by making McCarthy seem like an ignorant teenager turning in a creative writing assignment that he’ll get back with a C-. Does everyone know the parody Twitter account @GuyInYourMFA? That’s basically Cormac McCarthy: he’s a cisgender heterosexual white male that somehow thinks his utterly banal perspective is incredibly unique and thought provoking. Furthermore, there are endless comments from him on being a MAN that make it pretty clear he’s a misogynistic piece of shit, too.

    The Coen Brothers tried their best with adapting the book, and definitely elevated the material, but they were limited in what they could do. I don’t even necessarily dislike the anticlimactic resolution to Llewelyn’s story, because I think that’s kind of a novel way to acknowledge some themes of the story that were only bubbling under the surface prior to that. I DO, however, hate the actual ending to the movie, where Chigurh kills yet another person just because. It doesn’t add anything to the story, but it definitely increases the whole film’s Bleakness Factor.

    Anyway, had to get all of that off my chest. I’m a little surprise this movie is so universally beloved among a certain set, because I know of a lot of people that don’t care for it either. When I was a Film Major in college, my Video Production teacher showed us clips and then had to stop because the entire class was just shitting on the movie as a whole.

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