Freddy Krueger Turns 4, Dwight Shrute Rocks, and Marvel Bets on Wesley Snipes and Wins Big – Aug 17-23: Thirty Twenty Ten

Nu Metal hits the big time with Kid Rock, Korn and even Durst directing, Marvel’s cinematic dominance begins with a vampire slayer, that show about the 70s debuts on Fox, Michelle Pfeiffer is mob married, Hamlet gets a pretty great sequel, and Spaghetti Cat is the greatest thing that’s ever happened. All that and more on this edition of Thirty Twenty Ten, your weekly look back on the week that was, 30, 20, and 10 years ago.

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  1. Different strokes for different folks, so well, not gonna hold it against you if you like A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master. Wes Craven liked it, I disagree but don’t think less of him or you. Although, I heavily disagree about Elm Street 5 and Freddy’s Dead because they’re not that bad people make them out to be. I mean, I’m going to copy and paste my comment from the Elm Street Nightmare podcast episode from last year anyway but briefly I’ll say that my main issue is that Elm Street 4 didn’t have a theme to go on. A good character arc for Alice yes but no theme. Elm Street 5 had a pro-choice theme and even Freddy’s Dead had a theme being the idea of the offspring of the parent, could one become like a toxic parent or reject their toxicity? Given my abusive mother, I can relate to that movie. But I can agree Elm Street 4 had very cool death scenes though and I like Freddy in the film anyway. But here’s my comment for Diana and Sarah to read, I’d like to know what they think of what I had to say.

    “A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master is my second least favorite Nightmare on Elm Street film. Not 5, Freddy’s Dead or Freddy vs. Jason. I know I implied 4 was my least favorite but I forgot about the remake being that actually. But the thing about the 4th film is that Alice’s arc aside, there didn’t seem to be something of a deep theme to go on or at least something of interest even with basic stuff. First film, what is the dream, what isn’t? Can you stop this force of evil? As well as the idea of adult figures being distrustful and not believing of youth. Second film, the gay overtones. Third film, uniting different people against a common foe with the theme from the first film about the adults not believing the youth. Fifth film, pro-choice. Freddy’s Dead, nature versus nurture. Can you avoid becoming the very monster as your parent? New Nightmare, reality and fiction blurred from here to kingdom come. Freddy vs. Jason, okay no deep theme there beyond Freddy and Jason fighting but I excuse it for being campy, wrestling fun. The Dream Master and the remake, have nothing to go on.

    Only things the fourth film had it going for were Freddy being Freddy, Harlin’s direction on certain moments, the soundtrack, the arc of Alice, certain victims like Sheila because she’s allowed to be black and a nerd without falling into stereotypes, the death dream sequences (like seriously, the effects hold up! Well save for Rick’s death, I’ll get to that in a moment) and I do like the climax.

    Unfortunately and this is going to sound weird but I think the cinematography is inappropriate. I’ve heard people call this the MTV Nightmare and I can see why but I think that was a mistake. Like I don’t mind like certain moments with the cinematography or editing, that’s fine of itself but I think they took it too far to the point of being too over the top and some moments in regards to back and forth dialogue between Freddy and Kristen for example. seemed very off. It doesn’t help that as you mentioned, I noticed on the Never Sleep Again documentary that they admitted they were winging it even like a week or two before the release date. And you can tell because they admitted Rick’s death was done because they didn’t have the budget. Like, I wish it was executed better really. And it’s a shame because the rest of the death scenes are really cool! Like the cockroach scene or Sheila’s death.

    Although I hear people when they say they don’t like Kincaid getting 86’d and I agree. So I’m with Lizzie and Louis honestly with the film’s quality. It can
    be fun but it lacks a lot of substance to sustain that fun. Especially since yeah, some things I don’t think I ever wrapped my head around. But really, I think that’s the problem. 4 is just there. It’s just bland. 5 was distinct. Freddy’s Dead had somethings memorable whether you liked it or not. I feel nothing with The Dream Master, that’s the problem. I mean make no mistake, Harlin can be great with the right script. He’s really dependent on the script. But I don’t hate this film, I don’t. I don’t hate the effort being seen because I can see it. He tried, everyone did and I don’t begrudge people who like the film. Even Wes Craven did, wow.

    Hilariously though, first time I saw Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master, when it came to Sheila and Debbie’s first scene together, I had no idea what Dynasty was. I thought it was just a made up show by the filmmakers. I had a VCR. I knew what that was , owned one. But you tell me when in 2003 Dynasty was in reruns. I didn’t know that was Robert Englund was that nurse at the time. The bus driver in Freddy’s Revenge yeah but not him as a nurse. I was surprised to find out years later but it’s cool. He’s versatile!

    But yeah, fourth is not very good to me-simply that. I’d argue the Rotten Tomatoes score should be lower but hey, you like it. No judging anyone who does. I mean, I’m going to defend The Dream Child next week anyway and say my piece on Freddy’s Dead after so yeah.”

    And while I admit I need to watch more Jackie Chan films, I’m feeling sad at the thought because apparently, he kicked out his daughter for being gay and she became homeless last I checked. I’m worried I’d feel guilty if I watch and buy a Jackie Chan film. The cartoon doesn’t have his voice though at least.

    https://youtu.be/JldGE4hxYk8

    I never did see Blade, just the second film but I want to and this year I intend to and no, there is no rights issue with Blade. Not only is the character’s film rights back with Marvel but he recently appeared in Invincible Iron Man and a miniseries called Spirits of Vengeance which consisted of Blade teaming up with Marvel’s other supernatural characters like Hellstrom, Satanna and Ghost Rider (Johnny Blaze) and that was last year. There was supposed to be a new Blade comic in 2015 which was supposed to have him with his daughter Fallon Grey but it’s in limbo due to the writer leaving feeling a black woman should write the book. Don’t know what will happen but maybe someday the comic will be back. But I do know Wesley Snipes has been wanting to go back and talking with Marvel to play the character one more time. Maybe someday or it’ll be rebooted. Maybe John Boyega can take over (Idris Elba can have Bond, he’s better as Bond).

    That 70’s Show, not a fan. Did see it via Nick At Nite but I just don’t care for it. I don’t. I liked Donna a lot but everyone came off as an entitled douche. Kelso was annoying, Jackie was an asshole, Eric Foreman makes me feel ashamed to be a Marvel fan given his Spider-Man stuff. I liked Red Foreman though but that’s because Kurtwood Smith is awesome. Though I like most of the cast (Topher Grace is a great editor, miscast as Eddie Brock though and Mila Kunis is a great actress), except for Danny Masterson, fuck him. But the show is just mediocre really.

    Though it is funny to wonder how would Eric Foreman feel about each film in the Star Wars franchise given how much of a fan he became. I wonder if he had a heart attack when Disney bought the franchise.

    Rhianna’s Disturbia I quite enjoy myself. But before I go any further, I know Cloak and Dagger is a Marvel show that takes place in a Post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans. The other thing I know is that Six Flags New Orleans was a big casualty. It’s rotting, decaying but surprisingly was used as the set for Jurassic World. I’ve had my experience in Hurricane Katrina in Florida but I’d rather not talk about it now. Death Race 2000 I wanted to see but couldn’t. And The House Bunny, all due respect and not trying to shit on anyone’s enjoyment but given it’s a Happy Madison film, the less said about their work, the better. I just don’t trust them with any subject matter to be quite honest and I just have a terrible feeling it was a sexist pile of garbage. But I enjoy the works of Paul Feig’s comedy films since I love those kind of female led comedy movies. And yes, I love the Ghostbusters reboot and consider it better than the original, don’t @ me. The Longshots, only saw the trailer. Just seemed boring honestly but Fred Durst directed it? REALLY? I did want to see Hamlet 2 though but sadly, I missed out on that too.

    All Growed Up, watched it and well, it’s mediocre. Think about it from time to time but it’s just eh. Really liked it as a kid but I just don’t care about it as an adult. I mean I don’t hate it but just, maybe okay. I don’t know. But it is funny you mention this given Rugrats is getting a reboot and a live action film. Yes really. Chalkzone, okay but not crying about it being cancelled. Code Monkeys, had a friend who loves it. I don’t care for. Don’t remember it at all. Though I remember the TruTV transition. I thought it was weird at the time. Never saw either of those shows though.

    P.S. I saw Mac and Me on the Lasertime Facebook stream, WHAT THE FUCK DID I WATCH?! Aliens with blowjob faces, mothers blaming kids in wheelchairs, what asshole greenlit that? And I can tell that movie was written in a hotel room during pre-production, it shows!

  2. Great episode! By the way, one time on Monday Night Raw, Judge Mills Lane ruled in favor of his Celebrity Deathmatch co-star Stone Cold Steve Austin granting him a WWF title match against the new corporate champ, The Rock:
    https://youtu.be/gbMRcAzuduk

  3. Gotta agree w/ Chris…Dream Master is by far my favorite Nightmare. It’s the Die Hard of NoES. The action in this flick is pretty damn fun. The music oozes 80…from Tuesday Knight’s Nightmare to Drama Rama’s Anything, Anything. It also has my favorite sequences, such as Freddy’s resurrection, where he literally gets awoken by flaming dog piss – You shouldn’t have buried me, I’m not dead…., and the repeat sequence where Freddy tricks Alice while he kills Debbie. Then that finale…Alice kicking major fucking ass! Although the ultimate way he dies was kinda meh to me..despite it coming full circle in relation to the film’s premise.

  4. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think Dan Quayle is actually to blame for the whole misspelling of potato thing. It was a photo-op, he was given a bunch of flash cards with various words spelled out on them, and then used said flash cards to grade a spelling B. On one of those flash-cards he was given potato spelled with an E. According to him, he looked at it, thought in a split second, “I don’t think that’s right but it’s on the card so it must be,” and then told the kid it was spelled with an E. It’s honestly pretty understandable and I’m pretty sure 99 people out of a 100 would trust a spelling flash-card over their own memory in that instance.

    I never saw a Nightmare on Elm Street in theaters but I remember renting a whole bunch of them from the video rental store when I finally got “R” movie rental privileges. It’s odd how I only saw the film once but I can still remember some of the deaths you talked about on the show.
    Dead Man on Campus – This film holds a special place in my heart because I flunked out of University my first year, went to a community college for a year to recover, and then once I got my grades up I went back to my old University. The first semester back I was kind of nervous about whether I could handle being back at the U and that’s when I saw this film. For some reason watching this with that nervous trepidation about my own life made it way funnier than it had any right to be, even though I knew the premise was an urban legend. I’ve consciously decided to never revisit the film because there is no way that I could enjoy it as much as I did with the mindset I had at that exact moment in time.

    BLADE! Great movie! I’m happy it got made. But it’s not a black film in the same way that Black Panther is, in that the vast vast amount of dialogue is actually done by white people. When we were doing a Lasertime watching of it I started a count of every line of dialogue spoken by a person of African descent who was not Blade. It was somewhere around 10-20 lines, IIRC.

    The SIMPSONS! I miss hearing Chris talk in depth about the show so I’d be totally cool if you guys wanted to spend more time on it on 30 20 10.
    That 70’s Show and the tail end of a decade defining it; Well musically, the 50’s are remembered for the birth of Rock and Roll but that was really a tiny tiny sliver of music which was exclusively at the end of the decade. The Sixties had far more early rock songs than the 50’s but are remembered for Hippie Music, another tiny sliver that mainly appeared at the end. And the 70’s are remembered for disco which was, again, something that was small and only appeared at the end of the decade. But the Eighties? I’d say they are remembered for New Wave, bubbly pop songs, and some hair rock songs, and honestly? The Zeitgeist fucking nailed that one. Yea yea, like every decade there are a ton of slow love songs each and every year that beat out the songs people remember, but given THAT the cultural memory of music in the 80’s aligns far far more with what people were actually listing to year in, year out, than any other decade.

    Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: I wasn’t a Dad when I was 20 years old, but I was a huge Tom Clancy fan and was excited about the book (but not the video game as I didn’t like first person shooters). In middle school I loved Clear and Present Danger, in High School I loved Debt of Honor, and in early college I thought Executive Orders was a solid work. But even at the ripe old age of 20 I found the plot of radical eco-terrorist trying to unleash a super-Flu to wipe out 99.9% of humanity to be a suspension of disbelief too far and Rainbow Six was the last Tom Clancy novel I ever read.

  5. To be perfectly honest, I don’t think Dan Quayle is actually to blame for the whole misspelling of potato thing. It was a photo-op, he was given a bunch of flash cards with various words spelled out on them, and then used said flash cards to grade a spelling contest. On one of those flash-cards he was given potato spelled with an E. According to him, he looked at it, thought in a split second, “I don’t think that’s right but it’s on the card so it must be,” and then told the kid it was spelled with an E. It’s honestly completely understandable and I’m pretty sure 99 people out of a 100 would trust a spelling flash-card over their own memory in the split second they had to decide.
    I never saw a Nightmare on Elm Street in theaters but I remember renting a whole bunch of them from the video rental store when I finally got “R” movie rental privileges. It’s odd how I only saw the film once but I can still remember some of the deaths you talked about on the show.
    Dead Man on Campus – This film holds a special place in my heart because I flunked out of University my first year, went to a community college for a year to recover, and then once I got my grades up I went back to my old University. The first semester back I was kind of nervous about whether I could handle being back at the U and that’s when I saw this film. For some reason watching this with that nervous trepidation about my own life made it way funnier than it had any right to be, even though I knew the premise was an urban legend. I’ve consciously decided to never revisit the film because there is no way that I could enjoy it as much as I did with the mindset I had at that exact moment in time.
    BLADE! Great movie! I’m happy it got made. But it’s not a black film in the same way that Black Panther is, in that the vast vast amount of dialogue is actually done by white people. When we were doing a Lasertime watching of it I started a count of every line of dialogue spoken by a person of African descent who was not Blade. It was somewhere around 10-20 lines, IIRC.
    The SIMPSONS! I miss hearing Chris talk in depth about the show so I’d be totally cool if you guys wanted to spend more time on it on 30 20 10.
    That 70’s Show and the tail end of a decade defining it; Well musically, the 50’s are remembered for the birth of Rock and Roll but that was really a tiny tiny sliver of music which was exclusively at the end of the decade. The Sixties had far more early rock songs than the 50’s but are remembered for Hippie Music, another tiny sliver that mainly appeared at the end. And the 70’s are remembered for disco which was, again, something that was small and only appeared at the end of the decade. But the Eighties? I’d say they are remembered for New Wave, bubbly pop songs, and some hair rock songs, and honestly? The Zeitgeist fucking nailed that one. Yea yea, like every decade there are a ton of slow love songs each and every year that beat out the songs people remember, but given THAT the cultural memory of music in the 80’s aligns far far more with what people were actually listing to year in, year out, than any other decade.
    Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: I wasn’t a Dad when I was 20 years old, but I was a huge Tom Clancy fan and was excited about the book (but not the video game as I didn’t like first person shooters). In middle school I loved Clear and Present Danger, in High School I loved Debt of Honor, and in early college I thought Executive Orders was a solid work. But even at the ripe old age of 20 I found the plot of radical eco-terrorist trying to unleash a super-Flu to wipe out 99.9% of humanity to be a suspension of disbelief too far and Rainbow Six was the last Tom Clancy novel I ever read.

  6. I was also a little sad for Gotham. Is it a great show with tight writing? No. But is it a giant cluster fuck of entertainment, zany nonsense and actors who are giving it their all every step of the way? Yes. Yes it is.

  7. (sorry if I’m double posting, having trouble seeing if I posted or not)

    To be perfectly honest, I don’t think Dan Quayle is actually to blame for the whole misspelling of potato thing. It was a photo-op, he was given a bunch of flash cards with various words spelled out on them, and then used said flash cards to grade a spelling B. On one of those flash-cards he was given potato spelled with an E. According to him, he looked at it, thought in a split second, “I don’t think that’s right but it’s on the card so it must be,” and then told the kid it was spelled with an E. It’s honestly pretty understandable and I’m pretty sure 99 people out of a 100 would trust a spelling flash-card over their own memory in that instance.
    I never saw a Nightmare on Elm Street in theaters but I remember renting a whole bunch of them from the video rental store when I finally got “R” movie rental privileges. It’s odd how I only saw the film once but I can still remember some of the deaths you talked about on the show.

  8. You forgot to mention that the guy Everett-Scott and Paul-Gosselar were trying to convince to kill himself in Dead Man on Campus was none other than Jason Segel!

  9. For a long time, my friend and I would go to Blockbuster, and when we walked past the video box for Married to the Mob, we’d make fun of the pull quote on top of it: “The Godfather on Laughing Gas!” Then we decided to watch it at some point to see how dumb it was, and about 30 minutes in we both said to each other, “this movie is fucking awesome.”

    Easily one of Jonathan Demme’s best films, and that’s saying something.

  10. For a long time, my friend and I would go to Blockbuster, and when we walked past the video box for Married to the Mob, we’d make fun of the pull quote on top of it: “The Godfather on Laughing Gas!” Then we decided to watch it at some point to see how dumb it was, and about 30 minutes in we both said to each other, “this movie is fucking awesome.”

    Easily one of Jonathan Demme’s best films, and that’s saying something.

  11. When I was about 13, my uncle had recently built a recording studio in his basement. This was in Hawaii and basements were uncommon, but it was a very legit recording studio so good for him, he’s happy. One day, my uncle said that he had just helped an actor overdub their lines for a movie, and it was a superhero movie.

    My god, what could it be? Superman, Batman, could I introduce myself? What will I wear? I was overtaken with shock that a picture, a SUPER picture (that’s what we called it in those days) could happen just a block away from me that I forgot the event had already occurred.

    The mastering session was for the motion picture Blade, you know, the timeless comic-book classic? And the actor was Kris Kristofferson redoing most of the sounds he makes when dying in a chair.

    Years later, I saw Kris Kristofferson’s son in a mock trial. I was the good guy and he was the bad one, legally speaking. Anyway, I thought a good icebreaker would be to not introduce myself and instead spook him right into a lifelong friendship, so I said, ‘A few years ago, I got to hear your father chocking on his own blood in my uncles’ basement.’

    Boy, we had a good trial that day.

    Now, I will always love Blade. Haven’t seen the sequels though, heard one was admirable.

  12. Spaghetti Cat. Sweet Jesus. I love me some Spaghetti Cat. I remember watching it for the first time, and it burned itself into my memory. I own a Spaghetti Cat t-shirt. Until he was adopted out from under me, I was going to adopt a tuxedo black-and-white cat and name him “Spaghetti Cat”. I’ll never forget the look on my parents face when I said I was going to name an animal “Spaghetti Cat”.

    1. Oh, and I have major bad memories of Hamlet 2. I watched it with this girl who I thought was gonna be my bff in college the 2nd or 3rd day we were there for transfer student orientation.

  13. Tom Clancy & Red Storm released several games to match their books. The most notable to me was 1997’s Politika, which actually had a demo disc attached to the back of the book.

  14. I was such a Tom Clancy fan in middle school. In my 8th grade drama class, I even read selections from Rainbow Six as a dramatic readings. My teacher made me change all the curse words to “Crud!” Imagine an 8th grader shouting, “Crud! I can’t find the neurotoxin!” I was so cool.

    Rainbow Six was not the first Clancy book to receive simultaneous videogame releases. His Power Plays series (not written by Clancy, just “created by” Clancy) had demo discs taped in the back of the book. I played Politika (which was like Risk), but I never played the ominous sounding Ruthless.com.

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