Pain Don’t Hurt Patrick Swayze, Christian Bale finds Salvation in the Terminator series, and Who was the Phantom Menace?! – Thirty Twenty Ten – May 17-23

There’s a new Star Wars movie for the first time in over a decade! Surely it will be good… meanwhile Roadhouse is the superior bad movie, the dawn of Toonces, Small Wonder dies, Punch-Out has some new moves, Owen Hart dies, Glee debuts as does the worst Terminator movie until the next one! All that and more this week on Thirty Twenty Ten, your weekly look back on the week that was 30, 20, and 10 years ago.


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12 thoughts on “Pain Don’t Hurt Patrick Swayze, Christian Bale finds Salvation in the Terminator series, and Who was the Phantom Menace?! – Thirty Twenty Ten – May 17-23

  1. wow is the first and last time we’ll ever bring up Charles Rocket?

    Love Letter!! The Reason why Rosie O’Donnell went Columbine nuts on Tom Sellick on her show! Marking the beginning of her demise!

    I’ve only seen Phantom Menance once during a family vacation to Alaska during the Summer of ’99. It was either go to Star Wars or go to yard sales. I went to Star Wars and was miserable. It was so.o.o.o.o slooowww.

    To me, Glee was always the obnoxious show that would air commercials during Simpsons. I always pictured girls who were stunted watching that show.

    I don’t think Gilda was ever coked up. She did have a horrible eating disorder when she was on SNL up until she married Gene however. This year, I have gone a huge Gilda binge after watching the documentary “Love, Gilda”. Also, read the book “It’s Always Something”! Sarah should bring it up in book corner next month!

    Funny that Sarah brought up Bronson Pinchot, who also had a birthday this week!

  2. I was a big Star Wars fan throughout the 80s and 90s, which included reading just about all the (now non-canonical) novels. Even though I didn’t like the changes made to the original movies for the 1997 Special Edition releases, it was the only way to see the movies in a theater. When it was finally time for episode one in 1999 it was highly anticipated, so much so that I remember buying and reading the novelization of the movie, which came out two or three weeks before the movie did, and was extremely disappointed. I had already read and knew the plot of the movie before even seeing it, and just had that small hope that seeing it would somehow be better than reading it, but sadly it wasn’t, just as the plot I had read in the novel, the movie was a mess topped off by horrible acting from otherwise good actors. I still saw all three prequels on opening night, and came away extremely disappointed each time. I hadn’t seen any of the prequels in years, but did a rewatch after episode seven and it was hard to get through, me and my wife just couldn’t believe how badly made they are, aside from the bad writing, they’re just not well made movies at all. Episode seven is far from a perfect film, but it was immensely enjoyable and felt like a Star Wars movie and its great to be in a time when we have so many Star Wars movies and TV shows that are actually worth seeing and the prequels can all easily be forgotten. I kind of wish if we got another spin-off movie then Rogue One, Solo and another movie could just be relabeled as Episodes 1-3.

    Chris mentioned the numbering on the original Star Wars and its actually quite a bit more interesting to how it all came about. The move was originally just released as Star Wars, with not episode number or title on the opening crawl. During the writing and production of Empire Strikes Back the movie was referred to as Star Wars Episode II in multiple interviews, but also considering going into not numbering it at all, just using ESB as a subtitle, then when Lucas started talking about “stuff happened before” the numbers started moving around, finally settling on ESB being Episode V, which is how it was released in 1980. It wasn’t until a 1981 theatrical re-release of Star Wars that the Episode IV A New Hope was added to the opening crawl and this version used in the VHS and Laserdisc releases and TV airings. Coincidently there was a clue about this on Jeopardy! just last week.

  3. There are a couple good moments in How I Got Into College (The joke about specific interview traits being JUST this much this way but NOT that much the OTHER way applies just as much to job interviews as college interviews) and some parts that are extremely of-the-moment (It’s a joke that student loans now wanted to be paid back, they did used to be able to be gotten rid of in a bankruptcy, and the extremely expensive school everyone is trying to get into? 10k! Ten frickin Kay dollars!) but it’s not actually a good film… and yet there are a couple of scenes that have stayed in my mind for 30 plus years and show no signs of going away ever. Why? Because while I always “knew” I was going to college (it was expected that everybody in my high school was going to college) I didn’t actually know how one transitioned from high school to college. Looking back, my childhood was highly age-segregated in that I didn’t interact at a significant level with anyone more than two years older or younger than me other than a twice a year visit with my cousins. So my entire social reference group had as much firsthand experience with the end of high school as I did. What was it like? What did you do to actually enter college? None of us really knew so enter the film, “How I Got Into College” or, as I like to call it, “JR Gains More Unrealistic Expectations of High School From Media Part 258” Now I never confused films and TV for reality, I knew they were fictional, but as a basic guideline? As a rough sketch? As a view seen through a mirror darkly? Yea, I assumed they got at least the gist of experiences I never experienced right. Basically. In rough outline. To some degree. But. This. Was. Not. The. Case. My actual college entrance was such an anti-climactic experience that I sadly remember more scenes from this film than from the real life story of how I, personally, got into college, (all I can remember is reluctantly filling out some boring paperwork when my Mom wouldn’t do it for me, and that’s it. I must have gone to an interview or two but I can’t actually remember them at all). Is there any film or TV or book who’s main event you remember better than remember how that same real event that happened to you?

    Miracle Mile. The premise of a guy finding out that nuclear warhead are coming to kill him and everyone he loves sounds like a great premise and I’m really intrigued. If it was a prank though … that’s more than just a dick move. Fooling someone into thinking that they are about to die is actually a war crime. That’s literally true as it’s incredibly psychologically damaging to do that to a person. I worked the graveyard shift at a gas station when I was 18. One night around 3 AM some dude thought it would be funny to sneak up behind me, put a stick in my back and say, “Hands up or else.” Now, he didn’t say he was going to shoot and kill me, but the “or else” had more than a bit of that connotation to my mind at 3 AM. To this day part of me wishes I had knocked him out after he said it was a “joke.”

    Road House. I can’t believe I’m about to utter these words but I don’t care what Mike Nelson has to say, “Pain don’t hurt” is a great great line. It’s just a one-sentence version of a great bit of dialogue from Lawrence of Arabia.
    “Ooh!” he cries out, shaking his burnt fingers. “It damn well hurts.”
    “Certainly it hurts.”
    “Well, what’s the trick then?”
    “The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts.”
    The human condition is a painful one and living your life afraid of pain, of thinking that it is something that can be totally absent from your life, is highly counterproductive. So much of people’s bad habits, traits that are clearly self-destructive to ourselves and that hurt others, primarily come from desperately wanting to avoid physical and psychological pain, and this can include the pain of the having the high we are on ending, that’s why people eat too many burgers, glug too much booze, and pop too many pill. Because they don’t want the pain to exist. They don’t want the pain to hurt them.
    But that’s like trying to outrun your own sweat. Pain will always be waiting for us in the end, one way or another. But to accept the pain, physical and psychological, and not fear it or shun from facing it is paradoxically the best way to decrease your total suffering. It’s a hard to step back from your own pain, to acknowledge it and not try to push it away, but it is a necessary one. Because in your qualia, your experience of experiencing life, ‘hurting’ isn’t about pain, hurting is rather your relationship with pain. So yea, acknowledging the possibility that you can choose to be a person for whom “Pain don’t hurt” is true, is the first step down a better road.

    Road House is actually two very different movies combined into one is this mish-mash of a film. The first part is a fairly compelling work-place drama, the work place just happens to be a very rough and tumble blue collar one, and that’s an environment we almost never see in work-place dramas so it’s an interesting glimpse into that world. In that movie we see a new manager come into an place of business that is performing in a sub-standard level and we see him use various management and training techniques to improve the staff who are capable of improvement and replace the ones who aren’t. He has to make small decision after small decision that leads to a big change and in this it’s a feel good movie in and of itself about how to successfully motivate a work force. And then at around the 1 hour mark a completely different and separate super cheesy action movie with exploding cars and throat ripping seems to start which is only tangentially related to the first movie. It’s really bizarre. Finally I wonder if we are just seeing the world through his eyes? There are a ton of people who really really love being the biggest fish in their small pond and have a very disjointed view of themselves because of this. In the real world no bouncer is as famous as the protagonist in Road House is, but it wouldn’t surprise me if there are a couple in the real life who think they this famous in the movie they play in their head about their lives.

    Toonces the Driving Cat is a one note joke repeated again and again. And I could not get enough of it. I eagerly hoped each and every episode of SNL I watched during this time would have that damn cat.

    The end of Miami Vice as the end of the 1980’s. Why on Earth wasn’t the 2006 Miami Vice film a period piece set in the 1980’s? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a single episode in my entire life but even so the series is so inseparable from the 80’s that the decision to have it take place in the modern day boggles my mind.

  4. Fortunately, my friend and I attended a lightly attended showing of Ep 1. You are not alone in your immediate reaction. We were essentially MST3K-ing this movie about 15 minutes in. We discussed leaving during the never-ending podrace. I didn’t watch Ep 2 or 3 until I could do so for free. Number 2 was worse and 3 was marginally better than the others. The making of clearly shows everyone unwilling to say no to Lucas despite ever person in the room is cringing at his idea.

    I was only months old for Star Wars, but saw the other two in the theater. I can’t clearly remember ESB in the theater but was completely under Jedi’s spell. I went back to see them all in the theater when the special editions were released. Episode 1? I felt worse watching Episode 1 than I did seeing Star Trek 5.

    I also loved Toonces for reasons I could never explain. I still think about that cat at random moments and that jingle plays in my head every time.

  5. Great episode, like always. Your comments regarding why people listen to podcasts were rather pertinent, I thought. Another LT alumni podcaster referred to them as ‘friendship porn’, a term which I think is also appropriate. For me, I live abroad and while I am blessed to have many great friends few of them share with me the same nerdy tastes, pop culture reverence or sense of humor. I find that podcasts, like Lasertime, do an excellent job of filling the like-minded-friends void I often feel, sometimes so much that I occasionally get more out of listening to your podcasts than I do to hanging out with real people. I’m not sure if that’s healthy, but on the plus side, and I’m sure I’m not the only person to say this, it proves that you guys are providing a service that is truly valued.
    Hope your back gets better Chris.

  6. As I’ve mentioned in comments before, I used to be really susceptible to hype machines for big movies. I was born in 1991 and I’d gotten into Star Wars via my dad’s “THX edition” versions of the movies on video, so of course I was going to get on board the Phantom Menace hype train. It was EVERYWHERE. There was an absolute flood of Star Wars content, the likes of which wouldn’t be seen until 2015. In fact, I’m pretty sure my parents only used up the last packet of Star Wars Episode I paper napkins they got for my eighth birthday party about five years ago. So you can understand, I was into it.

    I remember enjoying it when I saw it, but the truth is, a lot of it didn’t actually stick with me beyond the action scenes. I revisited it from time to time over the next few years, but then there was a long stretch – maybe as much as 10 years – when I didn’t watch it at all, despite rewatching Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith on occasion. In that time, I suppose I’d started taking for granted the usual narrative about how terrible the Star Wars prequels are and how Phantom Menace was the worst of them. In the end, I revisited them all before Force Awakens came out and I was really surprised at how much I found myself enjoying Phantom Menace; some of it was nostalgia but I feel like there’s a sense of “This is what a Star Wars movie *would * look like in 1999” which I honestly just don’t get from Episodes II or III. (By the same token, I think part of the reason I enjoyed Last Jedi when the majority of the audience didn’t is because to me it felt like how a Star Wars movie *would* look in 2017, if you understand what I mean.)

    I guess I’ve come around to liking it. Maybe as I’ve grown up, I’ve come to appreciate the themes Lucas was exploring in the prequels, about how a liberal society can lose its way and become a cruel dictatorship and how religious dogmatism (the Jedi being bureaucratic monks who live in a literal ivory tower going on about prophecies and talk about how they can’t free the slaves because of politics) can lead to corruption and hypocrisy even with the best intentions. I don’t even hate Jar-Jar, though I appreciate his role more than I like him.

    If there’s one reason why the hardcore Star Wars fans hate the prequels, I think it’s because it recontextualises the original trilogy; it calls into question whether the Rebel Alliance were right to want to restore the Republic, because the Republic is corrupt and bureaucratic beneath its shining spires, where slavery is illegal but exists on the fringes and even the “guardians of peace and justice” won’t do anything about it; it presents Obi-Wan’s view of the Jedi from the original movies as something that’s very starry-eyed and nostalgic, because when we meet them, they’re not keepers of the peace so much as armed enforcers for the government who go in to scare people into acquiescence. This continues in the subsequent movies, i.e. Luke’s father wasn’t really all that heroic, he was a whiny, temperamental fascist goon.

    In other words, the prequel trilogy was not accepted by Star Wars fans because it subverted their expectations.

    1. Further to my previous post, I honestly don’t think there’s any criticism that’s been levelled against Phantom Menace that hasn’t been made against Last Jedi. I think you could take most of what’s said against one and transpose it against the other and you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

  7. Miracle Mile I really dig. I was recommended the film by my friend Ashley. She loves the film and by pure chance, I found it on Comcast streaming and I was very engaged. I mean, it played like a nice romance movie for the first few minutes but then the phone booth rang.

    And that’s the thing about the film, it escalated more and more with the intense aspect of the film. And dear God, the ending. So nightmarish that I’m impressed it went that far to be extremely tragic-no happy endings! Its imagery I certainly won’t forget but seriously, the tension, man was that movie great at it. Oh and fun fact, I watched this as a double feature with American Psycho (that one I researched for the 52 Films by Women challenge).

    Star Wars Episode I remember so well. I remember seeing the trailer in front of Enemy of the State of all films (my sister’s idea) and being excited and further more thanks to the hype. I even watched a special on the Sci-Fi Channel which of all things contained a parody skit with South Park characters. I owned a few of the toys-Darth Maul I wanted the most, baby! And watched a lot of the commercials, may have had toys from Pizza Hut, KFC and Taco Bell, it was huge! And I remember loving it as a kid a lot. I was influenced by the extreme fan hate as I got older but steered away and right on time because but I think it spawned the current toxic fandom community like The Last Jedi hate for example. It doesn’t help their case when the extreme hate against Ahmed Best who was Jar Jar Binks, he actually almost committed suicide. Certain criticisms I get like the Asian stereotypes, that is justified at least. But the extreme hate led to the creation of fan entitlement that is very damaging, it can make enjoying stuff just not fun anymore. I just think, especially after talking with my very good Austin, my opinion softened. It’s mixed for me but it’s also a case when seeing films like Die Another Day, Jurassic World and Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, Phantom Menace doesn’t compare. Plus, it introduced me to Samuel L Jackson, I can’t hate it for that.

    But that aside, when it when the end of the school year week for the 5th grade, I managed to get in as among the movies shown for that week. I don’t think many of the kids were impressed but before Diana and Chris praise my 5tj grade class, they’re the same ones who wanted Baby Geniuses and got their wish. Yes, this is the same class I mentioned that loved Baby Geniuses. That’s them. Even if I still hated Phantom Menace, I’ll take watching that again over Baby Geniuses and admit it, you’d prefer that too.

    Terminator Salvation, my fear of flying aside, I watched that film on a Plane after my Colombia trip. And really, the only thing I remember was Helena Bonham Carter as Skynet and that scene with the T-800. And really for a film that’s supposed to be about the great war, it’s pretty unmemorable. It’s a pity. But I’ve seen that Terminator Salvation game multiple times that it’s officially a staple. I’ve played it, it’s pretty fun.

  8. I’ve got a lot of fondness for the build up to Episode I….the actual movie, not so much. I was super excited and probably tried to convince myself it was cool (I was in the sixth grade though, so I probably thought it was cool), but it wasn’t until the next year when I started middle school that I realized it was bad, and I was “stupid” for liking it. Ah, youth.

    Anyways, the idea of “fixing” or “re-imagining” the Prequels is something I think about TOO much actually. I’d remove Phantom Menace entirely (except for Darth Maul), and start with Attack of the Clones (just, a better version of it), and then do a Clone Wars movie that would essentially be the Star Wars version of Apocalypse Now, where Anakin is sent to locate a Jedi that’s gone missing on a planet and has allowed the natives to worship them. This would give Anakin some inner turmoil over not only the Clone War, but the Jedi Council as well, who basically tell him in no certain terms that if he’s betrayed the council to take them out. Plus, we’d get to see Anakin as somewhat of a hero, which would make his fall even more tragic (and somewhat built up on).

    I’d keep Darth Maul and have him replace EVERY OTHER VILLAIN IN THE PREQUELS EXCEPT FOR PALPATINE. Allude to Maul murdering Qui-Gon Jinn, then when he shows up in the movies, it give Obi-Wan some stakes in the fight, even causing him to be borderline obsessed with avenging his master, thereby giving Kenobi a little taste of the Dark Side to tempt him. Plus, Maul was fantastic and had a great visual look and fighting style that was completely wasted in Phantom Menace.

    That’s basically the gist of what I’d do if given the chance to redo the Prequels, but as it stands right now, Star Wars hasn’t been ruined by them, so whatever. They exist, and while they make me made at times, at least Disney seems to be fine with ignoring them/using the only cool parts.

  9. So so many comments on this episode.

    I’ll start with Episode 1. Growing up and even to this day, Star Wars means a lot to me on a deeply personal level. As a young child I bonded with my mom over our shard love of Star Wars. She even dressed up as princess Leia for Halloween when I dressed as Darth Vader. She passed away after a long battle with cancer when I was 7. When Episode 1 came out, I was head over heals in love with it. It was glorious because it was the first Star Wars film that came out in my lifetime. This same emotion carried me through all of the prequel films. Looking back now, I see the problems with the prequels but they still hold a special place for me because they are part of the Star Wars universe. I can’t hate them, but I don’t really go back and revisit them very often either.

    Next up is Glee. When that show came out, I was a music major in college. That show was awesome to me because I love musicals. The musical numbers from that show are still one of my favorite things, and I often listen to the songs on Pandora to this day. I wasn’t a big fan of the stuff outside of the songs though and after the first season I never really kept up with it. Also around that time there was a girl that I liked that was in my music program and the show was the reason for lots of get togethers at her place where a bunch of us would watch the show. That also may have played into part of the reason why I liked the show so much at the time.

  10. Phantom Menace is the first Star Wars movie I ever saw. I have vague memories of my parents watching the Original Trilogy when I was much younger, but I never watched them myself until after Episode I. Because of this I never really hated Episode I as a kid, but I did prefer the originals for reasons I was unable to articulate at the time. After Episode III came out I had bought into the criticisms that the prequels were absolute crap and din’t hold a candle to Episode IV through VI. For a long time I wasn’t sure if my opinions on the prequels were my own or those of the internet as a whole. That is until I re-watched Episode I with you guys through Monday Night Movies 4 years ago. In short it sucks and I was super bored the whole time, except for the podrace and the lightsaber duel at the end. How that move every hold my attention as a kid baffles me to this day. Seriously how would any child be able to like a movie that spends a third of its run time talking about trade negotiations defies all reason.

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